Neal and Melissa Seaman
http://PublicRights.Org
Loris SC 29569
Report on the Horry County Public Safety Committee
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On August 8, 2005 my wife and I listened with complete astonishment to a ruling made by the Horry County Public Safety Committee on vetoing a go ahead for the Safety Ordinance to be brought in front of the full County Council to have it aired as a voting agenda.

Kennesaw's gun ordinance, adopted in March 1982, reads as follows:

Code of Ordinances & Gun Law

Sec. 34-1 Heads of households to maintain firearms.

(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the City (county), and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city (county) and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the City (county) limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.

(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability, which would prohibit them from using such a firearm.

Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.

The ineptness and lack of understanding of the seated Horry County representatives* (these people need a dishonorable mention) that were on the Public Safety Committee as to what the Ordinance was and what it would bring was a true revelation. Elected officials sitting there talked about nothing that related to the ordinance and only by accident did they touch some of the points presented and showed what seriously bad leadership we have elected to our Public Safety Committee. Instead of embracing a proven idea that has worked both economically and defused crime, they gave every excuse imaginable to close out the issue. They stood there defending the endangered species in our county, the common criminal. I do not know what agendas these people are following but it sure is not for the people's good. They, just weeks earlier, approved to give over $50,000 of our tax dollars to an untested (in our county) drug task force but the Kennesaw Ordinance, which would have cost the taxpayers a dime they turned down.

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1. Carl Schwartzkopf: nonvoting member of the Safety Committee, County Council Rep District 8 Conway

2. Bob Grabewski: voting member of the Safety Committee, County Council Rep District 6 Socastee, Here's the kicker about this guy - He is an NRA Life member & instructor

3. John Boyd: Chairman of the Public Safety Committee, County Council Rep District 11 Galivants Ferry/Aynor. A special note about John Boyd: he was given the factual information about the Safety Ordinance and it's relation to Horry County weeks before the Safety Committee meeting. When I called him two weeks after giving him this information, asked if he read it, his answer was no and by his attitude stop wasting my time. Well Mr. Boyd we are back again!!

The reasons they gave for vetoing our proposal, which they all agreed with unanimously:

1. "The ordinance is unenforceable so they are not going to pass an unenforceable ordinance",
John Boyd
My response: The purpose and practical issue of the ordinance-it sets up the county for the Umbrella Theory which has been proven to lower crime statistics and drive criminals away (Dr. John R. Lott, More Guns Less Crime I, II, Chicago University). Heaven forbid that something could be done to bring safety to the public good that HE COULD NOT CONTROL!!

2. "There is no proof that the Kennesaw Ordinance worked", John Boyd
My response: I guess Kennesaw's population and economic growth, their success with their managing crime recognized at the national level, all the news talk about their successes, must be a figment of our imagination. I better call Fox News this week to tell them not to do the interview with the Mayor and Sheriff of Kennesaw because John Boyd, Chairman of the Public Safety Committees of Horry County, states there is no proof that the Safety Ordinance works. In fact the reputation that Kennesaw has gotten as being America's Safest City is probably a smoke screen and mirrors trick.

3. Bob Grabewski: voting member of the Safety Committee, County Council Rep District 6 Socastee proudly stating he was an NRA Life member, a Training instructor and he did not believe this ordinance should be passed because it will "endanger lives and the government should not interfere with people's rights".
My response: As he stated this, the other pundits were shaking there heads in agreement. This goes to show you the lack of comprehensibility on this man's part about the ordinance. The opt out clause is as simple and definitive as could be and why would this ordinance endanger lives? His the sky will fall in scenario has not happened anywhere else in the United States. Grabewski, by his remarks, has pupated what every other anti-gun organization and anti-gun individual have espoused for years with their endanger lies BS. They hope if they say their lies long enough maybe someone will believe it. As an aside I had to disarm to go into the Public Safety Chambers because CWP cannot carry there according to the law, no infringement intended.

4. "Statistics could be tilted anyway you want" John Boyd
My response: the 23 year old track record from Kennesaw is not enough proof

5. "They had read the information on this site and weren't convinced" John Boyd
My response: By the responses they gave as reasons showed that they either had read the given information or they had trouble with English and its comprehension. Either way these people should be voted out of office. Did they call the Mayor or the Chief of Police of Kennesaw to verify anything? All the contact info for the Kennesaw people was supplied to them. No they did not make the calls (I know I asked them), and they had over two months to make them. They did not call because they did not care to find out about something that could almost make crime disappear in the county. Did they check with the FBI or any other agency, which reviews crime stats, NO. this issue, the Safety Ordinance, was not worth their time to check out. I can only come to the conclusion that they really don't care about crime in reality, just want to talk the talk but not walk the walk.

6. "WE have a wonderful CWP (Concealed Weapons Permit) program here in South Carolina so one doesn't need to pass this ordinance" Bob Grabewski.
My response: Why are the crime stats going through the ceiling with this wonderful CWP program? Again showing ignorance the ordinance had nothing to do with Concealed Weapons Permits. In fact it really had nothing to do with guns but a mindset and a line in the sand against the criminal element. If Grabewski knew anything he would know that concealed weapons permits, in a way, helps raise crime. Unarmed civilians that do not want to go through the horrendous paperwork and intrusion into their inalienable rights, mostly all of them opt out in pursuing a concealed weapons permit. Henceforth they usually go unarmed and in-turn become statistics. At the present time we have a little over 1% of South Carolinians that have CWP's yet the crime is not even dented by that 1%. Grabewski needs a serious wake-up call.
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7. "The opt out clause was not inclusive enough," John Boyd
My response: One does not have to be a rocket scientist to see that the opt out clause includes everyone. In fact the original ordinance did not include the opt out and to make it legal so the Kennesaw City Council would not have a problem they revised the law to include the LEGAL OPT OUT.

8. "Kennesaw had no relation to Horry County and he believes it would not work here even if it could be proven to work. John Boyd
My response: Well Boyd with his infinite wisdom is right on this point. Kennesaw now has nothing to do with Horry County. Horry county is unsafe to live in because of rampant crime-Kennesaw is not, Kennesaw is growing in leaps and bounds and their crime stats are in the basement Horry County's is not, Kennesaw has not increased police presence or raised taxes due to an overburdening crime problem Horry County can't say that, Kennesaw's crime is so low and their ordinance works so well that the police force gives free gun handling classes to the residents Horry county can't say that, and the list goes on and on. Your right Boyd Kennesaw has no relation to Horry County and I will concede on this one.

9. "They did not want a bunch of untrained people having guns", Bob Grabewski
My response: Again Grabewski shows his ignorance. The ordinance was not about raising the number of guns into people's hands it was about driving the criminal element out of Horry County with a line in the sand. But he was so stuck in his distorted mindset he could not even discern the meaning of the Safety Ordinance yet this person was allowed to vote and he holds a public office. Something is definitely wrong here.

Neal and Melissa Seaman
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Television interview: Neal and Melissa Seaman (Loris Safety Ordinance and the crime infested slum conditions on Maple Street, Loris South Carolina)-interviewer Rebecca Fox, cameraman Marshall) aired on WPDE local affiliate for ABC 18:00 Hrs. Channel 16 rabbit ears and Channel 6 cable

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Progress Tracking Horry County:
Horry County Council
also included is the Horry County Crime Stats: 06/11/05 Horry County Crime Stats
2001 2002 2003 2004
Tracking the Horry County Public Safety Committee and their VETO
Neal's Speech to the Horry County Council 12/13/05

A NOTE ABOUT THE HORRY COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE HORRY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE: THESE ARE THE MOST CORRUPT LEGISLATORS I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING. TO PROTECT THEIR SPECIAL INTERESTS (WHICH IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF THE CITIZEN'S INTERESTS) THEY PERVERTED AND DISTORTED THE TRUTH AND THEN AT THEIR FULL COUNCIL MEETING LIED AND DID NOT REVIEW THE PERTINENT MATERIALS. OUR OWN COUNCILMAN, MR. PAUL PRINCE, DISTRICT 9 WAS PART OF THIS HYPOCRISY - NEAL SEAMAN

Letters to Newspaper Related to the Horry County Public Safety Committee
Full Letter with all the details about the Horry County's Public Safety Committee's distortion of the facts
Letters to Newspapers Letter to the Editor Summary

Progress Tracking Loris City Council:
INTRODUCTION Loris City Hall - also included is the Town of Loris Crime Stats plus a side-by-side comparison to Kennesaw GA
Neal Seaman's Speech to the Council
Melissa Seaman's Speech to the Council

Article:
ANSWER TO LORIS POLICE DEPARTMENT: OUR View of Survival
LETTER TO: Mr. Mobley (Town of Loris Administrator)
LETTER TO: Mayor, trying to side step the issues 09/07/05
COUNCIL: Melissa Seaman's Speech 10/3/05
COUNCIL: Neal Seaman's Speech 10/3/05
News Broadcast WPDE (ABC local affiliate) 10/4/05
SunNews Article 10/4/05
Loris Scene 10/5/05
ANSWER TO: Loris Scene Editorial 10/19/05
SPECIAL NOTE FOR THE LORIS TIMES ARTICLE: THE REPORTER DID SUCH A BAD JOB AND THIS ARTICLE IS INCOHERENT AT BEST
TRANSLATION
Loris Times Page 1-11/11/05
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Loris Times Page 3-11/11/05

A NOTE ABOUT THE LORIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE LORIS SAFETY COMMITTEE: THESE ARE THE MOST CORRUPT LEGISLATORS I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHO GOT THE CORRUPT PLAYBOOK FIRST THEM OR THE HORRY COUNTY COUNCIL AND HORRY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE - NEAL SEAMAN

Other towns that have initiated the Kennesaw Ordinance: Franklintown Pennsylvania passed the Safety Ordinance on June 28, 1994, Virgin Utah passed the Safety Ordinance on. December 27, 2000-318 residents, Geuda Springs, Kansas 210 residents and more dispelling of anti-gun myths, Kennesaw Demographics TODAY