IMPORTANT: "KENNESAW GUN ORDINANCE" IS BEING USED SYNONYMOUSLY WITH THE WORDS "SAFETY ORDINANCE"

Tracking Horry County Council 05/13/05
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Information below was taken directly from the sites noted. There seems to be slight irregularities in population census, etc. but the one item that keeps surfacing is the crime problem in Loris Town
proper and Horry County needs addressing, NOW.051-252394

On September 20, 2005 my wife and I are going to be address the Horry County Council. Presentation will be directed at - The Safety Ordinance-why it is imperative for this ordinance to be incorporated


For those of you who are are in the unincorporated parts of Loris (not within the town's city limits) you have not been forgotten. The ultimate goal-have all the residents of Loris under the protection of the Keenesaw Gun Ordinance: initiating contact with the Horry County Council.

We know that most people in Horry County already own guns (just as it was a known fact that citizens of Kennesaw OWNED GUNS). But that is not enough to make a community safe. By promoting the Safety Ordinances we are trying to create an awareness of defense, a sense of responsibility towards the community, and a preventative against crime. We know that these ordinances are a proven working model, as seen in Kennesaw (and other communities).

new!!- AH new news, it has been reported in the papers that EVERYONE IS NOW "SCRAMBLING" TO PUT IN PLACE NEW PRECINCTS BECAUSE OF THE RAMPANT MURDER STATS-NEW PRECINCTS "DIAL 911 AND DIE" - BOY THEY SURE CAN SPEND YOUR MONEY AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN EARN IT, AND WHAT CAN THESE POWERS TO BE PROMISE WITH THEIR NEW PRECINTS-CAN THEY PROMISE A RADICALLY AND STABLE REDUCTION IN CRIME-NO BUT THEY CAN SURE PROMISE A RAISE IN TAXES WITHOUT THE PEOPLE GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH-THE POLICE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR INDIVIDUAL PROTECTION-THEY ARE CLEAN UP CREWS

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TOP THREE crime ridden counties in SC which had a rise in crime in the year 2003 while the nation's counties across the board showed a decrease
http://www.sled.state.sc.us/CISystem/Images/cinsc03/161-183.pdf

COUNTY

2002
TOTAL CRIMES COMMITTED

2003 TOTAL CRIMES COMMITTED

1) Richland

23563

23538

2) Greenville

18,279

18730

3) Horry

16,265

17,373


06/11/05
All statistics provided below have been gathered by the Horry County Police Department for Horry County
Year Murder Rape Robbery Agg
Assault
Arson Burglary Larceny MVT Total
2001 18 205 158 898 42 1447 5187 691 8646
2002 13 202 112 740 24 1603 4864 693 8251
2003 8 258* 128* 707 -- 1714* 5231* 777* 8823
2004 8 237 187 774 -- 1790 5263 828 9087
2004 TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES INVESTIGATED 37,006
2005 22 231 193 780 -- 2545 4740 874 9385
2005 18+1=19

TOTAL NUMBER OF MURDERS AND THE YEAR IS NOT OVERREPORTED MURDERS AND THE YEAR IS NOT OVER YET!! 18
MAN SHOT DEAD IN STATE PARK18+1=19 19 and going higher

Note: the police can add as many precincts as they want at your taxpayers expense-folks wake up your are throwing your tax dollars into the toilet. Your families need the Ordinance and politicians have to get hard on crime by supporting it. The crime states are going to keep going up no matter how much money is spent on "police protection" there is none-they cannot protect the individual

In one second a man 20 feet away from you with a knife and 3 rounds of 9mm in him can still kill you. What are you going to do when this same person is not wounded, is in your home, and has intentions to rape, kill, torture, or all three? Call the police? Dial 911 and Die-you now have a fourth choice-insist on the Safety Ordinance to be passed.

            2001 2002 2003 2004
Total crime incidents reported
used for the national index
26,932 28,860 28,695 27,484

*In year 2003,the entire nation had a decrease in violent and property crime rates (FBI stats). South Carolina, was the third highest crime-ridden state in the nation in 2003. Horry County showed a rise in crime for almost every category that year.

ORIGINAL REPORTS OF THE YEARS 2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004 CLICK ON BELOW
20012001 stats - 20022002 stats - 20032003 stats - 2004
2004 stats

Year simple assault domestic vandalism kidnap/abd phone calls weapons violations prostitution drug violations Total
2001 4430 NA 3701 21 492 99 75 1236 10,054
2002 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA
2003 4142 NA 4184 26 791 63 39 851 10,096
2004 3758 NA 3860 27 794 86 45 952 9,522
06/11/05
2002-2003 INDEX TOTALS BY COUNTY AND AGENCY
All statistics provided below have been gathered by the SLED for Horry County
Special Note from SLED:
Many state-level law enforcement agencies have specialized missions directed toward the enforcement of crimes not included in the national index used here. These specialized agencies or components include the SC Highway Patrol, the State Transport Police, the SLED Vice Unit, the SC Forestry Commission, and the SC Department of Natural Resources. While the specialized priorities of the agencies result in many arrests and in the investigation of many offenses, the vast majority of Index offenses are reported by county and municipal agencies. In most cases, when state agencies assist local law enforcement, the incidents and arrests are reported by the county or municipal agency having local jurisdiction within each county. Bottom line to me is that not all stats are included.
Year Murder Rape Robbery Agg
Assault
Arson Burglary Larceny MVT Total
2002 17 133 368 1426 -- 2969 10,137 1215 16,265
2003 13 168 371 2966 -- 2966 11,062 1438 17,373
No matter how you cut it, for a population of 210,757 people (2003 Census) these numbers are intolerable and must be driven down. The law abiding community has got to stop suffering because of criminal behavior.

DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE BEING TOLD THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ABOUT CRIME?

Patrick Word, vice chairman of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Gang Investigators Network, a group that helps collect data for the Justice Department. Nearly 20,000 state and local police agencies were contacted to participate in the National Gang Threat Assessment report, but only 455 provided information, said a federal law enforcement official who asked not to be identified to avoid future conflicts with local police in obtaining information. The report did not specify which agencies did not participate, so they could not be contacted for comment. "A lot of this (reluctance to cooperate) is coming from elected officials who aresaying, 'We don't want to get our citizens running scared,' " Word said.

Have you been told about the unbelievable increase in gang crime in South Carolina and how it is spreading like a cancer to rural suburbia, and targeting particular cities with less than 200,000 population?

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Posted 5/13/05

Friday, May 13, 2005

Due to the fact that the Loris residents living in the unincorporated areas of Loris will not be protected with the new ordinances I now have to address this problem at the county level (advised by my Horry County Representative, Mr. Paul Prince).

Put a telephone call in to Mr. Paul Whitten, Director of the Public Safety Committee so these ordinances can get on the agenda. Waiting for a return call.

Updated 5/16/05
Spoke to Mr. Paul Whitten and gave him this website address for his perusal. Due to Bike Week (over 300,000 bikes converging on Horry County) he will not be able to review the information until next week.

Updated 6/02/05 Protocol to follow: advised by Paula Haynes to speak to my rep. John Boyd, district 11, contact info 358-0100 teaches criminal justice at Horry Georgetown College and is the Chairman of Horry County Public Safety Committee. Gave Mr. Boyd the website waiting for his review of the Safety Ordinance, Castle Theory Doctrine (encompassing force-to-force) and awaiting a telephone call back.

Updated 6/07/05 Mr. Boyd, the Chairman of the Public Safety Committee, did not review the Safety Ordinance, Castle Theory Doctrine (encompassing force-to-force). I will be speaking on June 13, 2005 at 15:00 Hrs. to have these ordinances reviewed and have them submitted to the county attorney. The county attorney will paper the ordinances and then it is up to the county council to render a vote. I will be asking if they do not wish to go forward on these particular ordinances what are my options to get it in front of the people.

Updated 6/13/05 My presentation was not as professional as I had wished it to be, many points that I had wished to make I had overlooked. I did have the proper handouts for the ordinances, crime stats, and the Castle Doctrine. Fortunately the handouts also had the web address for this site. Will have to go back to the 7/11/05 meeting to get the answer as to the Public Safety Committee's decision. Word of advice folks, even if you have to read your speech do it don't do it ad hock-Neal

Updated 8/8/05 For the full story click hereHorry County Safety Committee
The Safety Committee gave the usual no go on the ordinance. The usual no go encompasses: individuals who say they are for the public good and don't mean it. The usual no go encompasses: supposedly pro-rights and Pro-Gun individuals who don't mean it. The usual no go encompasses: politicians who are more interested in spending your tax dollars and throwing good money after bad than really resolving problems they are faced with-and in turn you and I suffer the most as residents under the paws of these people. They in their inimical wisdom vetoed a go ahead on the ordinance and you have got to hear the reasons:For the full story click hereHorry County Safety Committee


As anyone can see here, even with minimal intelligence, that these people refused to see what this ordinance was about or did not want to. Henceforth we go to the next step and go in front of the Horry County Council. We are now going to schedule some radio talk show programs, and get the necessary info together. This thinking, distorted and not seeing, is pretty scary. This is what is in charge of our public safety for the county. No wonder the crime is through the roof and these guys want to protect the endangered species in our county, the common criminal.

I wonder how the people are going to feel when they find out, and we are going to get the word out, that the Public Safety Committee voted against a ordinance that could make their lives and streets safer, have the county grow in population and not in crime, to make the county safer in every aspect and in turn by lowering the crime states and the money spent on police services, hospital services, and pain and suffering on the peoples part? WE HAVE ONE HELLUVA SAFETY COMMITTEE IN HORRY COUNTY-IN NAME ONLY!

Am I angry-you bet I am. Having valid reasons for dismissing an idea is one thing but intentionally being negligent and stupid is another. It has become personal because by their actions they are putting my wife's life in danger and that cannot be tolerated.

Updated 9/21/05
My wife and I got to speak for five minutes a piece. Packets of information were given to all the council members except the three who lied and distorted the truth from the Public Safety Committee. Two of the three after we finished talking lied and pervaded the truth in their rebuttal to our comments, Boyd and Grabewski. They used the same lines, lies and misinformation as they stated in the Public Safety Committee's MeetingNot one council member, including our own Mr. Prince (who was asked to sponsor this-not a call back even) opened their mouth against this railroading. We have now found out that we cannot add a referendum to get the people to vote on this issue. South Carolina does not have a provision in their laws for this type of action. Under the present system even if we wished to pursue a referendum, the Horry County Council has a death grip on the rights of the citizens in this county, all approvals for any county changes must be approved by the same council. A big loop with the rights of the citizens voice in governmental change is nonexistent.

My wife and I wish to thank everyone from across our county, our state, and our country for their continued support and also what they are facing in their fights to keep their neighborhoods crime free. Thanks for your telephone calls and in-turn we are all of us helping each other trying to create hot safe-spots for our families to live in-just like Kennesaw did. A special thanks to Tom Lanham for Saturday's South Carolina's radio station on News-Talk Radio WIS-AM 1320 for helping for getting out the word to the community.
G-d Bless All of you, Neal and Melissa

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National Rifle Association (NRA) and the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) (both nationally and locally get an F- for not openly supporting this issue)
Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) gets an F- for not openly supporting this issue
Letters of Support for the Kennesaw Ordinance in both Loris Town and Horry County:
2 National Gun Organizations want to see the Safety Ordinance passed in Horry County and Loris Town (Letters of Recommendation)
JPFO SupportJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership: Letter to Horry Country Council and Loris City Council
GOA LetterGun Owners of America: Letter to Horry County Council
GOA LetterGun Owners of America: Letter to Loris City Council

Television interview: Neal and Melissa Seaman (Loris Safety Ordinance and the crime infested slum conditions on Maple Street, Loris South Carolina)-interviewer Rebecca Fox, cameraman Marshall) aired on WPDE local affiliate for ABC 18:00 Hrs. Channel 16 rabbit ears and Channel 6 cable

 
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What do government bodies not want you to KNOW so they can keep inflating their budgets with your tax dollars for "police protection"? Police have NO responsibility to protect the individual, legally or morally. Supreme Court Decision: you are on your own for protection, PERIOD!

Progress Tracking Horry County:
Horry County CouncilHorry County Council
also included is the Horry County Crime Stats: 06/11/05 Horry County Crime Stats
20012001 20022002 20032003 20042004
Letter to NewspapersTracking the Horry County Public Safety Committee and their VETO
Neal's Speech Neal's Speech to the Horry County Council 12/13/05

A NOTE ABOUT THE HORRY COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE HORRY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE: THESE ARE THE MOST CORRUPT LEGISLATORS I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING. TO PROTECT THEIR SPECIAL INTERESTS (WHICH IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF THE CITIZEN'S INTERESTS) THEY PERVERTED AND DISTORTED THE TRUTH AND THEN AT THEIR FULL COUNCIL MEETING LIED AND DID NOT REVIEW THE PERTINENT MATERIALS. OUR OWN COUNCILMAN, MR. PAUL PRINCE, DISTRICT 9 WAS PART OF THIS HYPOCRISY - NEAL SEAMAN

Full Letter UnabbreviatedLetters to Newspaper Related to the Horry County Public Safety Committee
Full Letter with all the details about the Horry County's Public Safety Committee's distortion of the facts
Letter to Editor SummaryLetters to Newspapers Letter to the Editor Summary

Progress Tracking Loris City Council:
Loris City Hall INTRODUCTION Loris City Hall - also included is the Town of Loris Crime Stats plus a side-by-side comparison to Kennesaw GA
Neal Seaman's Speech to the Council

Melissa Seaman's Speech to the Council

Article:
SURVIVALANSWER TO LORIS POLICE DEPARTMENT: OUR View of Survival
Mr. Mobley's Letter LETTER TO: Mr. Mobley (Town of Loris Administrator)
Letter to the Mayor of Loris Town LETTER TO: Mayor, trying to side step the issues 09/07/05
COUNCIL: Melissa Seaman's Speech 10/3/05
COUNCIL: Neal Seaman's Speech 10/3/05
News Broadcast WPDE (ABC local affiliate) 10/4/05
SunNews Article 10/4/05
Loris Scene 10/5/05
ANSWER TO: Loris Scene Editorial 10/19/05
SPECIAL NOTE FOR THE LORIS TIMES ARTICLE: THE REPORTER DID SUCH A BAD JOB AND THIS ARTICLE IS INCOHERENT AT BEST
TRANSLATION
Loris Times Page 1-11/11/05
Loris Times Page 2-11/11/05

Loris Times Page 3-11/11/05

A NOTE ABOUT THE LORIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE LORIS SAFETY COMMITTEE: THESE ARE THE MOST CORRUPT LEGISLATORS I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHO GOT THE CORRUPT PLAYBOOK FIRST THEM OR THE HORRY COUNTY COUNCIL AND HORRY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE - NEAL SEAMAN

Kennesaw Rave Review Articles:
America's Safest CityAmerica's Safest City

News MaxCrime Plunges in Pro-Gun Town

Crime PlummetsGeorgia Crime Rate Plummets
GOAGun Owners Of America
Guns Prevent CrimesGuns prevent crimes in Kennesaw
JPFOJews Preserving Firearms Ownership
NRANational Rifle Association
New AmericanThe New American

Other towns that have initiated the Kennesaw Ordinance: Franklin PAFranklintown Pennsylvania passed the Safety Ordinance on June 28, 1994, Virgin Utah passed the Safety Ordinance on. December 27, 2000-318 residents, Geuda SpringsGeuda Springs, Kansas 210 residents and more dispelling of anti-gun myths, Kennesaw DemograhpicsKennesaw Demographics TODAY

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