IMPORTANT: "KENNESAW GUN ORDINANCE" IS BEING USED SYNONYMOUSLY WITH THE WORDS "SAFETY ORDINANCE"

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LORIS INFORMATION

On October 3, 2005 my wife and I and possibly some other guest speakers are going to be address the Loris City Council. Items on our agenda to speak about are:

1. The Safety Ordinance-why it is imperative for this ordinance to be incorporated

3. Maple Street affliction (Loris' Bottom)-resolve the drug infested slum area on Maple Street.
09/07/05 Letter to the Mayor of LorisLetter to the Mayor of Loris

Information below was taken directly from the sites noted. There seems to be slight irregularities in population census, etc. but the one item that keeps surfacing is the crime problem in Loris Town
proper needs addressing, NOW.

We know that most people in Loris already own guns (just as it was a known fact that citizens of Kennesaw OWNED GUNS). But that is not enough to make a community safe. By promoting the Safety Ordinances we are trying to create an awareness of defense, a sense of responsibility towards the community, and a preventative against crime. We know that these ordinances are a proven working model, as seen in Kennesaw (and other communities).


YOU ASKED ABOUT LORIS' LOCAL (within the city's limits) RETAIL GUN BUSINESSES AND HOW THEY WERE SUPPORTING THIS MEASURE
This tidbit of information has been enclosed as a "dishonorable mention"

Local Retail Gun Businesses Report - 04/27/05
Posted 04/28/05
THERE IS NONE: The THREE local Loris retail gun businesses "declined getting involved in this issue". Wished us luck but did not want to get involved because "they believed it was a waste of time for this area". I never knew that making a city safe was a waste of time, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I was told, through one spokesman, (speaking for all of three retail establishments that sell guns to the public) that everyone in Loris carries guns so that fixes the problem - yet why does the crime keep escalating?


Posted 4/26/05
The town of Kennesaw GA, almost over eight times the population of Loris Proper, has crime levels below the national averages for personal and total crime, whereas the Town Proper of Loris has twice the national averages. Kennesaw is the fourth lowest crime town in the United States since the above noted ordinance was passed. In the towns surrounding Kennesaw, crime has mushroomed since 1982 (when the ordinance was passed), whereas Kennesaw's continues to lower into the single digits. Kennesaw's population keeps growing, 325% in twenty years since the ordinance has passed and the crime inversely keeps decreasing. HMMMM what did they discover?

CRIME STATS COMPARISON
(2005-these stats are computed quarterly)
  Loris Kennesaw National Average

Population:

3,710

25,183

11,571

Total Crime Index:

6.0

3.0

3.47
Personal Crime Index: 6.0 3.0 3.40

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT KENNESAW HAS OVER 8X THE POPULATION OF
LORIS TOWN PROPER
SOURCE: http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?csz=Loris,SCyahoo Real Estate Loris
and http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?csz=Kennesaw,GAYahoo Real Estate Kennesaw


SOURCE SLED: http://www.sled.state.sc.us/CISystem/Images/cinsc03/161-183.pdfSLED
2003 latest crime reports.
Loris *Crime Index is number of crimes per 10,000 population. Source is Uniform Crime Statistics.
Year Murder Rape Robbery Agg
Assault		 Arson Burglary Larceny MVT Total
2003 0 0 4 19 -- 17 86 13 139**

*Numbers only reflect reported crimes within the city limits-Town Proper of Loris. (Just for your own edification, our state, South Carolina) is #3 in the nation for crime and is not getting any better; confirmed by SLED 04/30/05). These numbers in this particular table, compared to the population size in the Town of Loris Proper, are horrendous. A system of containment does not work, one must proactively seek another solution, hence forth, the Kennesaw Ordinance.

**Kennesaw Georgia with 8X the population was far below the national average for the same crimes, TODAY.
Year Murder Rape Robbery Agg
Assault		 Arson Burglary Larceny MVT Total
2003 0 0 4 19 -- 17 86 13 139**

2003 Uniform Crime Statistics for LORIS, South Carolina
http://melissadata.com/Lookups/CrimeCity.asp?state=SC&city=Loris

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Loris, SC Profile Statistics Economics
http://www.idcide.com/citydata/sc/loris.htmLoris City Data Stats

Loris, SC, population 2,079 , is located in South Carolina's Horry county, about 68.9 miles from Fayetteville and 119.5 miles from Raleigh.

Through the 90's Loris's population has grown by about 1%. It is estimated that in recent years Loris's population has been growing at an annual rate of 1.7%.

Reports show that during 2003 property crime levels in the Loris area were higher than South Carolina's average. The same data shows violent crime levels to be higher than the South Carolina average. Loris's property crimes in 2003 was higher even though across the nation there was a national drop in crimes.**

In year 2003, while the nation enjoyed a decrease in violent and property crime rates, Loris was one of the few towns that increased its crime index (FBI stats). In fact, South Carolina, being the third highest crime-ridden state in the nation in 2003, Loris even exceeded the states' rise in crime index for that year.

South Carolina Loris Profile Law Enforcement
http://www.idcide.com/citydata/sc/loris.htmLoris Profile

Reported crimes in the Loris area during 2003:

Murder and non-negligent manslaughter: 0
Forcible rape: 0
Robbery: 4
Aggravated assault: 19
Violent crime events per 100,000 people: 1,092

Burglary: 17
Larceny-theft: 86
Motor vehicle theft: 13
Arson: 0
Property crime events per 100,000 people: 5,505
**Crime across the United States showed a decline in 2003 FBI Crime Statistics for 2003
http://crime.about.com/od/stats/a/ucr2003.htmFBI stats

The Federal Bureau of Investigation released crime figures for 2003 which showed that violent crime in the Nation declined 3.0% and property crime decreased 0.2% from the estimated volumes in 2002.

DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE BEING TOLD THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ABOUT CRIME?

Patrick Word, vice chairman of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Gang Investigators Network, a group that helps collect data for the Justice Department. Nearly 20,000 state and local police agencies were contacted to participate in the National Gang Threat Assessment report, but only 455 provided information, said a federal law enforcement official who asked not to be identified to avoid future conflicts with local police in obtaining information. The report did not specify which agencies did not participate, so they could not be contacted for comment. "A lot of this (reluctance to cooperate) is coming from elected officials who are saying, 'We don't want to get our citizens running scared,' " Word said.

Have you been told about the unbelievable increase in gang crime in South Carolina and how it is spreading like a cancer to rural suburbia, and targeting particular cities with less than 200,000 population?


CRIME STATISTICS BY CITY

 

2003 Uniform Crime Statistics
LORIS, South Carolina

2003 Uniform Crime
Statistics
KENNESAW, Georgia

Crime Index

660

244

2003 Population

2,107

25,183

Murders

0

1

Rapes

0 

0

Robberies

4

7

Assaults

19

15

Burglaries

17

89

Thefts

86

455

Motor Vehicles Thefts

13

47

Arsons

0

0

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT KENNESAW HAS OVER 8X THE POPULATION OF
LORIS TOWN PROPER
http://www.melissadata.com/lookups/CrimeCity.asp?state=SC&city=LorisMelissa Data

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Tracking Mayor/Town Council and Public Safety Committee Report - 04/27/05

Posted 4/28/05
Meeting is being setup with the Mayor/Town Council and the Public Safety Committee. I am hoping the meeting will be defined within the next couple of weeks. Waiting for reply

5/10/05
Spoke to Mr. David Mobley, Loris City Town Administrator, 4101 Walnut Street, Loris SC.
Told me to hand deliver the paperwork on Tuesday, May 10, 2005. He explained that he must review it and then the Mayor has to review it. The packet with the ordinances etc. will be delivered to Mr. Mobley, by hand on Tuesday. Letter submitted May 10, 2005 at 09:00 Hrs.

 5/27/05 Just got off the telephone with Mr. Mobley (Loris Town Administrator) and he is making arrangements for me to speak in front of the Public Safety Committee sometime in the early part of June.

6/3/05 Public Safety Committee meeting set for June 7, 2005 @ 19:00 Hrs. In attendance for the committee will be the Mayor David Stoudemire, Chairman Mike Suggs, Member Thessalonia Graham, Member Estelle Wright, and the city's attorney (Mr. Padgett).

6/7/05 Public Safety Committee meeting: in attendance for the committee was the Mayor David Stoudemire, Chairman Mike Suggs, Member Estelle Wright, and the city's attorney (Mr. Padgett). I was given 30 minutes to explain what I was trying to accomplish. The committee members were polite and honest and will do some research on what I was proposing. I didn't have some information that they needed so I will have to research the necessary items and submit them. I felt the meeting was fair and honest and am hoping for a positive decision.

I found some blatant anti-gun errors on the Loris Police Department site which Mr. Padgett said were not malicious but were placed there probably due to misinformation. I will be submitting the proper referenced information to correct those errors. By this afternoon those corrections will be on this site for your perusal. I strongly suggest to the others that are trying to initiate these ordinances to please check your local police departments website so all errors, misinformation, or whatever can be addressed in your presentations.

Mr. Padgett brought out the fact the the Castle Doctrine and force-to-force was a state initiated legislative action. I tried to connect the Doctrine to the Safety Ordinance. I don't know if it will legally fly but we will see.

I want to thank my wife for her support in being there and great note taking.

6/9/05
Letter sent to Mr. Padgett, Loris City Attorney regarding the ordinances and the Castle Doctrine.

8/21/05
Due to lack of response from the Loris Public Safety Committee regarding our concerns about the anti-gun and misinformation/n on the Loris Police Department website and a determination on the Safety Ordinance we will be now attending the full Loris City Council meeting on October 3, 2005 at 19:00 Hrs.

10/4/05
We attended and spoke at the Loris City Council last night 10/3/05: Neal and Melissa Seaman and Dr. Mike Nirenstein. We have begun Phase II to get this Ordinance in place and resolve the drug infested slum area on Maple Street.
Neal Seaman's Speech
Melissa Seaman's Speech
Dr. Nirenstein's Speech (Mike had to do it on the fly-please check his letter for his full ideas)
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11/7/05
I spoke at the Loris City Council last night to find out, for the public record, as to the council's decision.
1. they are not moving ahead on the ordinance because we don't have a crime problem here in Loris South Carolina-this means they are killing the issues without actually saying so
2. the residents of Loris feel safe and don't need an umbrella of protection
3. they did not even review the slum part of our speech, in cleaning up the bottom, that is how little respect they have for the citizenry of this town
4. their attitudes were quite obvious showing corruption, special interests, and all the ideals of people that are trying to protect their little part of their hill.

Now we put out flyers to the businesses and try to get them involved and in-turn the Loris residents that go to to their establishments. If this doesn't work then the residents and the business owners will reap what they sow. All one can do is show the truth you can't force people to act on it, Neal

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National Rifle Association (NRA) and the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) (both nationally and locally get an F- for not openly supporting this issue)
Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) gets an F- for not openly supporting this issue
Letters of Support for the Kennesaw Ordinance in both Loris Town and Horry County:
2 National Gun Organizations want to see the Safety Ordinance passed in Horry County and Loris Town (Letters of Recommendation)
JPFO SupportJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership: Letter to Horry Country Council and Loris City Council
GOA LetterGun Owners of America: Letter to Horry County Council
GOA LetterGun Owners of America: Letter to Loris City Council

Television interview: Neal and Melissa Seaman (Loris Safety Ordinance and the crime infested slum conditions on Maple Street, Loris South Carolina)-interviewer Rebecca Fox, cameraman Marshall) aired on WPDE local affiliate for ABC 18:00 Hrs. Channel 16 rabbit ears and Channel 6 cable

 
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In 2001 Governor Condon gave a press release about lowering crime. It would have worked if the Safety Ordinance was in place Neal Seaman
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What do government bodies not want you to KNOW so they can keep inflating their budgets with your tax dollars for "police protection"? Police have NO responsibility to protect the individual, legally or morally. Supreme Court Decision: you are on your own for protection, PERIOD!

Progress Tracking Horry County:
Horry County CouncilHorry County Council
also included is the Horry County Crime Stats: 06/11/05 Horry County Crime Stats
20012001 20022002 20032003 20042004
Letter to NewspapersTracking the Horry County Public Safety Committee and their VETO
Neal's Speech Neal's Speech to the Horry County Council 12/13/05

A NOTE ABOUT THE HORRY COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE HORRY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE: THESE ARE THE MOST CORRUPT LEGISLATORS I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING. TO PROTECT THEIR SPECIAL INTERESTS (WHICH IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF THE CITIZEN'S INTERESTS) THEY PERVERTED AND DISTORTED THE TRUTH AND THEN AT THEIR FULL COUNCIL MEETING LIED AND DID NOT REVIEW THE PERTINENT MATERIALS. OUR OWN COUNCILMAN, MR. PAUL PRINCE, DISTRICT 9 WAS PART OF THIS HYPOCRISY - NEAL SEAMAN

Full Letter UnabbreviatedLetters to Newspaper Related to the Horry County Public Safety Committee
Full Letter with all the details about the Horry County's Public Safety Committee's distortion of the facts
Letter to Editor SummaryLetters to Newspapers Letter to the Editor Summary

Progress Tracking Loris City Council:
Loris City Hall INTRODUCTION Loris City Hall - also included is the Town of Loris Crime Stats plus a side-by-side comparison to Kennesaw GA
Neal Seaman's Speech to the Council
Melissa Seaman's Speech to the Council

Article:
SURVIVALANSWER TO LORIS POLICE DEPARTMENT: OUR View of Survival
Mr. Mobley's Letter LETTER TO: Mr. Mobley (Town of Loris Administrator)
Letter to the Mayor of Loris Town LETTER TO: Mayor, trying to side step the issues 09/07/05
COUNCIL: Melissa Seaman's Speech 10/3/05
COUNCIL: Neal Seaman's Speech 10/3/05
News Broadcast WPDE (ABC local affiliate) 10/4/05
SunNews Article 10/4/05
Loris Scene 10/5/05
ANSWER TO: Loris Scene Editorial 10/19/05
SPECIAL NOTE FOR THE LORIS TIMES ARTICLE: THE REPORTER DID SUCH A BAD JOB AND THIS ARTICLE IS INCOHERENT AT BEST
 TRANSLATION
Loris Times Page 1-11/11/05
Loris Times Page 2-11/11/05
 Loris Times Page 3-11/11/05

A NOTE ABOUT THE LORIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE LORIS SAFETY COMMITTEE: THESE ARE THE MOST CORRUPT LEGISLATORS I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHO GOT THE CORRUPT PLAYBOOK FIRST THEM OR THE HORRY COUNTY COUNCIL AND HORRY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE - NEAL SEAMAN
Kennesaw Rave Review Articles:
America's Safest CityAmerica's Safest City
News MaxCrime Plunges in Pro-Gun Town
Crime PlummetsGeorgia Crime Rate Plummets
GOAGun Owners Of America
Guns Prevent CrimesGuns prevent crimes in Kennesaw
JPFOJews Preserving Firearms Ownership
NRANational Rifle Association
New AmericanThe New American

Other towns that have initiated the Kennesaw Ordinance: Franklin PAFranklintown Pennsylvania passed the Safety Ordinance on June 28, 1994, Virgin Utah passed the Safety Ordinance on. December 27, 2000-318 residents, Geuda SpringsGeuda Springs, Kansas 210 residents and more dispelling of anti-gun myths, Kennesaw DemograhpicsKennesaw Demographics TODAY

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